At the time when I had written my first post on Tina Dabi, I was not ( neither  many of us ) even knowing that she belongs to the SC Category. At that time, the whole nation was celebrating the rising status of woman in our society and appraising her for this huge success in her very first attempt, just at the age of 22 . But, now things have changed and there are hundreds of news articles, blog posts and social messages that have been written on the issue of her belongingness to a reserved category.

Tina Dabi TomatoheartImage Source: Facebook/ Tina Dabi

So, I am not going to write the same stuff here again but just wanted to clear out one confusion that many of us have. For example , here is one comment on a post related to Tina Dabi where a reader is upset about something.

Tina dabi UPSC 2015 Topper SC Category

He is upset about the fact that though she belongs to SC category but since she is an overall UPSC 2015 topper, she will end up taking the seat of one non-reserved person or a person from general category. Has she actually eaten up one seat from the non-reserved or general category?

The one-word answer is : NO! How? Let me explain that to you.

If the following prelims mark sheet of Tina Dabi is considered true ( This mark sheet has been taken from this post. I do not claim it’s authenticity )

Tina Dabi SC Category Prelims Marksheet tomatoheart

Note:  Prelim Paper-II marks were not counted in Mains-selection this year and hence only consider the Paper-1 Marks while considering the cut-off marks.

Her mark-sheet of Civil Services Preliminary examination-2015 implies that she managed to appear for the Main exam because of reservation. As you can see the cut-off mark for UPSC Prelims-2015 general category was 107.34 and for SC category, the cut-off mark was 94. She couldn’t have cleared the prelims examination without claiming reservation. Kindly look below for the official cut-off list shared by official UPSC website. You can download the PDF version of this cut-off list here.

UPSC 2015 Prelims Mains CUT OFF MARKS for 2015 Tomatoheart

Now, I am not trying to convey that she is not eligible enough to be called as the Topper or something. In fact, she is capable enough to be the topper every exam she will ever appear in the future as her previous academic qualifications suggest. There are different kinds of skill-set require to excel in the different format of exams and she appears to be more of analytical and descriptive which doesn’t suit that well with MCQ type questions.

Anyways, let’s get back to the topic again. Now, since has already claimed herself in SC category during the prelims. So, according to the Civil services rule, even if she is an overall topper ( Including all categories) in the UPSC Mains-2015, she will be assigned an SC seat under UPSC quota.

Now this is a totally different topic of discussion that what if she could have passed prelims under marks above the general cut-off. Why shouldn’t she be allowed to take a general seat? Total constitutional reservation percentage is 49.5% in India. Does it mean that all reserved quota people are bound to be under this category even if they score better marks? Doesn’t this actually mean that 50.5% seats are reserved for general category even though they constitute only 27% of the population of India ?

We will discuss all these questions in detail some other day. As of now, If you find this article informative, please share it and if you have anything to add or modify here, please write under the comment section. Thank you.

Click here  to know more about Tina Dabi, like her academic background, family, photos etc.

Update 23/05/16 : Don’t be abusive, offensive or prejudiced while writing comments under this post. I think all my readers are mature enough to understand this. This article was written to state a simple fact, not to discuss the overall reservation issues. But if any of you think that he/she is good enough to write an unbiased and logical article in favor or against the reservation, you can send it to [email protected] to get it published here after proper reviewal . Keep reading.

 

Update 23/05/16:  Some of the readers may be confused with the definition of “General category” in the context of this article as it appears from some of the comments. So, when I say “General Category”, it means “people without any kind of constitutionally allotted reservation advantage”. It doesn’t mean all people including reserved category. Thanks to the reader “Yuvraj Singh” who pointed out this.

Update 21/05/16: Some readers quoted me spreading lie by this statement where I said “50.5% seats are reserved for general category even though they constitute only 27% of the population ” Let me reclarify that I  haven’t stated it as the constitutional rule but I only raised this as a question from those people who believe that reserved people shouldn’t take non-reserved seat even if they receive more marks than general category cut-offs. So if reserved category people are bound to take reservation seats only irrespective of their marks, then it will practically convert into having 50.5% reservation non-reserved category. But since the cause is an assumption, not the reality, hence the effect is also a logical assumption, not the reality. the percentage data shown in this statement are taken from this article of The Hindu.  Does it make sense now?

Update 21/05/16: Somebody asks that if 50.5% seats are reserved for the general category then why the merit/general cut-off for GENERAL CATEGORY is higher than all other Categories?

First of all, 50.5% seats are NOT reserved for the general category as per reservation related constitutional rule but just for the sake of logical discussion, considering it as the truth, here is how the cut-off for the general category will still be higher than other categories.

Suppose there are 100 students in a class, among which 27 are boys and rest 73 are girls. Suppose all boys have more than 85% marks and max. up to 100 marks in the math whereas girls have marks as low as 35% and maximum up to 80 marks in math ( Please don’t think that I am being racist by stating low marks for girls . It’s just a dummy example) Suppose there is a math contest in which there is 70% reservation for boys and rest seats for girls. What do you think, will be the cut-off marks for boys and the girls for the entry in the contest ? Here the cut-off for boys will surely be higher than the girls even when they have more reserved seat for the contest. So, there is no proportionality relationship between the reservation category and the percentage of reservation they get.

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17 COMMENTS

  1. Lolzz I think you Dnt have any idea about wot is reservation….50.5 % seats for unreserved category so if any reserved category score equal or more marks of General cutoff then they occupied the seat of unreserved quota

    • Dear Himanshu, You missed the whole point of this post. It was meant to inform a fact that her seat still belongs to a reserved category and hence no unreserved seat has been taken over by her as per UPSC rule.
      But, the question you raised here is something different and I haven’t discussed anything about that under this post. In fact, I haven’t shared or discussed my own point of this but have raised some question at the end of the post.
      You quoted ” 50.5% seats are reserved for general category even though they constitute only 27% of the population of India ” as my point of view. First of all, this was a question, not my point of views and this question have been raised since long because of the misconduct in rightfully applying the reservation rules in various institutions. If you didn’t really understand, kindly read my reply to Ajit Duhoon to clear any confusion on this.

      Keep reading. Regards.

  2. Sire,
    I just want clarification regarding civil services rule?????
    You claimed that she is getting seat from reserved category , but can u provide me with the details of written rules of civil services, where it was written that after qualifying prelims from reserved category , a candidate is only eligible to get seat from that category , even if she clears the mains and interview from general category ??????
    Very much Thanx in advance.
    Thank you.

    • Dear Mohit,
      The information that I shared on this issue is based on my discussions with some of my IAS friends who has been told so by DoPT officials. If you want some written proof on this issue, you have to search for it on “Department of Personnel and Training, India” website or if you have any proof against it, let me know so that I can further discuss it with concerned people .

      Thank you.

      • Tell me one thing baba ji ..If 25% of people in general category are actually getting 50.5% reservation then why is it that general category cutoff is always far higher than Reserved category cutoff ??????????? . Does this mean that people in general category are more talented and hence should be given 100% seats on merit basis for overall betterment of the nation??

        • Dear Lala,
          Please don’t repeat the same question again and again which has already been asked by the fellow readers and kindly read the reply under the comment section.
          Thanks.

  3. “Now this is a totally different topic of discussion that what if she could have passed prelims under marks above the general cut-off. Why shouldn’t she be allowed to take a general seat? Total constitutional reservation percentage is 49.5% in India. Does it mean that all reserved quota people are bound to be under this category even if they score better marks? Doesn’t this actually mean that 50.5% seats are reserved for general category even though they constitute only 27% of the population of India ?”
    Dear Mr. Baba Ji, Taking your question in the above mentioned context, This question is actually taking a seat of general category and increasing the %age of reserve quota. I don’t know the %age you are talking about but there should not be any reservation, because the deserving peoples are not getting the benefit of the same, As their are also lot’s of peoples in GC who are below the poverty line but they are too considered in GC and same is happening with the reserve category. Please think about the vice versa of the question you have raised, if any general quota person got the marks less than the reserve Cat then can’t you think he should be shifted to seat of reserve seat. Here the point & question should not to compare the %ages of GC & RC, the Main point & question should be that if their is any kind of reservation it should be given to deserving peoples or the reservation shall be thrown out from the system. whoever performs will top.

    • Dear Kamal,
      Facts and point of view are two different things and it should not be confused as the same thing. In this post, I have mostly discussed at whether Tina Dabi’s seat comes under the reserved category or the general category and at the end of the post, I raised some questions based on available facts ( Kindly read an article from The Hindu linked in the post).
      I haven’t yet expressed my own views on this topic as what should be right and what is happening wrong and that’s why I said , it will be discussed some other day.
      Anyway, at one point you said “This question is actually taking a seat of general category and increasing the %age of reserve quota” So, please make your facts right. Reserved quota doesn’t actually mean that all the SC/ST/OBC should always be under their own quota and can’t take any general seat. If somebody is SC/ST/OBC and have marks better than general category cut-offs then as per rule he/she should get admission under general category.
      But, in practice, it’s not happening, reserved category people are bound to be under the reserved category irrespective of their mark. That’s why I raised that question.
      Reservation rule doesn’t only consider poverty but socially unprivileged too.
      Is reservation a good thing? not in an ideal condition. Is current reservation system is doing justice with the real people? not at all. Do people who belong to these categories but are economically and socially uplifted should take advantage of it? Absolutely No.
      There is lot more things to discuss and debate on this topic, but it’s something very important and surely needed to be understood by each of so that one day it can be totally eradicated it from our society.

  4. How is it that someone scoring better than her isn’t qualified and she scoring less than that person who is not even qualified called a topper. Give a light on that please if you can. Reservation isn’t equality you also know that. It’s like the people who struggle with inequality only complain . Like me. I’m not against her anything at all. But you simply can’t deny the fact that there are better scorers who are loosing their hardwork and all the studies they have done because of reservation.

    • Hello Vinay,
      If you think that she is not qualified to be called as topper then please get your facts right. She indeed is a well deserving candidate to be the topper but it doesn’t mean others are not. She received maximum marks in Mains and topped the UPSC 2015 under all categories.
      It’s now a known fact that she passed prelims using her category mark because she is not that good in non-analytical or non-descriptive format, but if better prelims marks really show the level of someone’s talent then tell me- why do all other guys/girls who scored more marks than her in prelims couldn’t perform that well in mains too?
      Don’t take these ranks so seriously. All top 10 or top 100 candidates are equally talented and deserving.
      Now, you said that there are many better scorers who are losing their hard work due to the reservation. In one way, you are absolutely right because you have never discriminated people based on caste then why should you suffer for that. But rules/laws are not made by considering individual case scenarios. Data shows that most of SC/ST/OBC people are socially and economically backward and hence needs to be uplifted, and hence the concept of the reservation was brought for a period of time.
      This topic is huge and the scope of discussion is also huge. We may discuss in details some other day.
      Have good life 🙂

  5. Compare the 2 cases here and let us know which candidate deserves reservation and the impact this system has on poor “forward caste” kids.

  6. Everything is get clear the reservation bla bla bla but i would like to know from all the victimized people. Could any body saw that she is a girl and no General and OBC grils are nearby her. We all are talking about.the women’s power women’s power then where is the actual positive thoughts.
    Don’t say only keep posted the things in Real.life as well…..

  7. Dear Mr Author,

    Please do not ‘write’ and spread misunderstandings when you don’t have complete knowledge.
    The 50.5% “unreserved” seats are “UN-RESERVED/ OPEN SEATS” and “NOT RESERVED FOR GENERAL CATEGORY”, but open for all categories.
    Hope you understand the difference.

    • Dear Mr. ABC, How many times do I need to make it clear that 50.5% seats are not reserved for the general category and it was just a logical question from those who believe and demand that “reserved category” people should not take “general/un-reserved seats” even if they marks more than the general cutoffs.
      Please do not comment if you don’t the skillful ability to read and comprehend in english language or haven’t read the full post. I have already made three extra updates for people like you and it doesn’t seem to make any difference.

      Hope you will make the difference soon.

  8. When does the poor in dalits get chance to grow up in society? Tina’s forefathers used reservation and Tina’s grand children will use the same. There are many dalits who are discriminated and don’t have education. It is for them not for Tina.

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